How we cite our quotes: (Chapter.Paragraph)
Quote #1
"Yes. Lyra has a part to play in all this, and a major one. The irony is that she must do it all without realizing what she's doing. She can be helped, though, and if my plan with the Tokay had succeeded, she would have been safe for a little longer. I would have liked to spare her a journey to the North. I wish above all things that I were able to explain it to her...." (2.140)
This section sums up Lyra's paradoxical situation quite nicely: she's part of a larger plan, but she can't know that she's part of it. The Master and the Librarian of Jordan College clearly believe in fate, and would like to explain to Lyra what Dust means, but they aren't allowed to.
Quote #2
"No, no, that's the saddest thing: she will be the betrayer, and the experience will be terrible. She mustn't know that, of course, but there's no reason for her not to know about the problem of Dust. And you might be wrong, Charles; she might well take an interest in it, if it were explained in a simple way. And it might help her later on. It would certainly help me to be less anxious about her." (2.147)
As the novel reveals, Lyra will have to betray someone in order to fulfill her destiny. Who, in the end, does she betray? Could the betrayal have been prevented?
Quote #3
"I see the Master as a man having terrible choices to make; whatever he chooses will do harm, but maybe if he does the right thing, a little less harm will come about than if he chooses wrong. God preserve me from having to make that sort of choice." (7.134)
Though the Master understands that Lyra has a destiny, he also must make a series of choices. Does this mean that the world of The Golden Compass is one driven by fate or free will? Is it possible for it to be a combination of the two?
Quote #4
"It's almost like talking to someone, only you can't quite hear them, and you feel kind of stupid because they're cleverer than you, only they don't get cross or anything.... And they know such a lot, Farder Coram! As if they knew everything, almost! Mrs. Coulter was clever, she knew ever such a lot, but this is a different kind of knowing.... It's like understanding, I suppose...." (9.87)
Here Lyra describes her relationship with the Golden Compass. The alethiometer can tell her the "truth" in a sense. It has access to information about events before they happen. What does this suggest about fate?
Quote #5
"The witches have talked about this child for centuries past," said the consul. "Because they live so close to the place where the veil between the worlds is thin, they hear immortal whispers from time to time, the voices of those beings who pass between the worlds. And they have spoken of a child such as this, who has a great destiny that can only be fulfilled elsewhere – not in this world, but far beyond. Without this child, we shall all die. So the witches say. But she must fulfill this destiny in ignorance of what she is doing, because only in her ignorance can we be saved." (10.111)
Word of Lyra's destiny certainly has gotten around; here we see that the witches have known about her for centuries. She may even be known about in other worlds.
Quote #6
"We are all subject to the fates. But we must all act as if we are not," said the witch [Serafina Pekkala], "or die of despair. There is a curious prophecy about this child: she is destined to bring about the end of destiny. But she must do so without knowing what she is doing, as if it were her nature and not her destiny to do it. If she's told what she must do, it will all fail; death will sweep through all the worlds; it will be the triumph of despair forever." (18.19)
Ow, ow, ow! Shmoop's brain hurts. If it's possible for Lyra either to succeed or fail, does that mean that the future is already written? Does this prophecy contradict the idea of fate?
Quote #7
"Seems to me a man should have a choice whether to take up arms or not."
"We have no more choice in that than in whether or not to be born."
"Oh, I like choice, though," he said. "I like choosing the jobs I take and the places I go and the food I eat and the companions I sit and yarn with. Don't you wish for a choice once in a while?" (18.10-12)
Lee Scoresby, the Texan aeronaut, is the biggest advocate for free will in the novel. As he tells Serafina Pekkala here, choice is the most important thing to him. Does Lee Scoresby have a choice to go to war?
Quote #8
"Perhaps we don't mean the same thing by choice, Mr. Scoresby. Witches own nothing, so we're not interested in preserving value or making profits, and as for the choice between one thing and another, when you live for many hundreds of years, you know that every opportunity will come again." (18.13)
Serafina Pekkala takes an opposite position to Scoresby on the question of free will. Witches have a very different perspective on things than humans. Do you agree with her or with Lee?
Quote #9
"Well, I dunno. There's things I'd rather not know. Seems to me everything I heard of since the Gobblers come to Oxford, everything's been bad. There en't been nothing good more than about five minutes ahead. Like I can see now, this bath's nice, and there's a nice warm towel there, about five minutes away. And once I'm dry, maybe I'll think of summing nice to eat, but no further ahead than that. And when I've eaten, maybe I'll look forward to a kip in a comfortable bed. But after that, I dunno, Lyra. There's been terrible things we seen, en't there? And more a coming, more'n likely. So I think I'd rather not know what's in the future. I'll stick to the present. (21.55)
Lyra offers to read the alethiometer, but Roger declines – he'd rather not know what the future holds. Is his future tragic, or is it just his destiny? Could his death have been avoided?
Quote #10
"You and I could take the universe to pieces and put it together again, Marisa! We could find the source of Dust and stifle it forever!" (23.77)
Lord Asriel is a larger-than-life figure. Here he imagines himself akin to a god – a master of the universe who can control fate.
Quote #11
"We got it wrong, though, Pan. We got it all wrong about Roger. We thought we were helping him.... " She choked, and kissed Roger's still face clumsily, several times. "We got it wrong," she said.
"Next time we'll check everything and ask all the questions we can think of, then. We'll do better next time." (23.109-110)
Though her actions led to Rogers's death, Lyra still believes such tragedies can be prevented. What do you think?